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Re: [Xen-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Call for agenda items for September 5th Community Call @ 15:00 UTC
- To: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xxxxxxxxxx>, Rich Persaud <persaur@xxxxxxxxx>, "Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@xxxxxxxx>
- From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:14:42 +0100
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On 05/09/2019 08:49, Lars Kurth wrote:
> On 05/09/2019, 08:41, "Rich Persaud" <persaur@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 5, 2019, at 03:19, Jan Beulich <jbeulich@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Forgive me asking, but why is this put up as an agenda item here?
> > IMO this is the kind of thing where you would send a proposal and
> > request feedback by email first, and put it up as an agenda item
> > here only if it got stalled there. (Apologies if I've overlooked
> > such a stalled thread.)
>
> If Xen community call topics are limited to escalations of xen-devel
> threads, then a new thread can be created for this topic. Xen community calls
> have also provided real-time, interactive feedback on candidate proposals,
> along with guidance on areas which need documentation before a formal
> proposal is made to xen-devel. Such agenda items are typically covered
> after all series and priority topics have been addressed.
>
> I don't mind having items such these on the agenda and to be fair have added
> similar items onto the agenda in the past.
> Clearly, they are forward looking [like an RFC], for which reason I tend to
> add them to the end of an agenda if there is a busy schedule
>
> Personally, on this specific item, it is not really clear what the questions
> are. In other words: is this about UUIDS/domain ids only, or is there
> something else.
Requiring something to be blocked on xen-devel before we discuss it on
the call is monumentally short sighted, and off-putting for contributors.
In this case, it is very definitely not the first time this problem has
been raised, as it is an XSA shaped elephant in the room. Its no secret
that id wraps cause problems, and while our security policy doesn't
comment on the matter, it also doesn't say "warning - stuff *will* break
in weird, wonderful, and security-relevant ways when domid's wrap".
The order of the agenda is important, and I don't think this should be
at the top, but even if we only end up with 2 minutes to discuss it,
then so be it. (2 minutes of talking can still be far more valuable
than a weeks worth of emailing.)
What is not acceptable is suggesting that it should be veto'd simply
because it is perceived to be a very fresh idea/query.
~Andrew
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