Re: [Xen-users] Anything come close to esx for xen?

[Thomas Goirand <thomas@xxxxxxxxxx>]

lists@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Xen having a gui would far from change anything but make it all that
> much more acceptable and useful. Not such a bad idea.

You don't get my point. I'm saying such GUI should NOT be a part of Xen,
but in a separate project. I do agree that such a GUI would be very good.

> I think it can be anything to anyone, just depends on whom ever wants
> to make it available. If someone or a group of people wanted to sit
> down and come up with a ready to go ISO, I think that would have
> tremendous value in the adoption of xen as a viable solution.

Yes sure, but this should not be PART of Xen, it should just USE Xen,
and I don't think that mixing the 2 in a single project with a single
name would be a bad thing.

> The problem with open source IS the fact that it's too technical
> and quite often, not usable by the masses.

What we call "open source" is a form of licensing, NOT about this or
that kind of software.

> You're basically saying 'let's just keep it for us' the gods of command line. 

I'm not saying that AT ALL. Please reread. Also, did you realize that my
full time job is driven around writing a GUI for Xen, and more generally
web hosting interfaces? FYI, I'm the main author of these 2:

http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html
http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc-xen.html

I didn't want to advertise so much here, because I don't think it's the
place, but I can't find a better proof... It's been now 8 years I'm
writing this web hosting control panel.

So now please DO realize that I do understand how important GUIs are to
anyone, and not only because it make things more easy (there are other
arguments for using them, like automations and integration of different
tools/application/server/whatever in a single interface).

>>  The fact that the open source Xen does NOT include a GUI is to me a very
>>  good thing, so there is nothing authoritative, and it leaves the door
>>  open to many projects. Maybe it's just a shame that there is not enough
>>  integration efforts, and not enough of these projects, but nothing more.
> 
> Even if it came with a GUI, people would STILL have the choice to use
> their own but it would simplify it for the masses who might otherwise
> be interested in using xen.

To me it would be a very bad thing, because people would think as Xen ==
this particular GUI, and thus it would kill other projects activity, or
people's interest in search for the best alternative. The large public
would do the mistake between the engine (the hypervisor) and the tool
(the GUI). That would be quite a disaster.

Thomas

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