Re: [Xen-users] xend, xenstored, xenconsoled restart

[Tim Post <echo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry for top posting, this comment in xenstore/xenstored_core.c is
relevant:

/* XXX When we make xenstored able to restart, this will have
   to become cleverer, checking for existing domains and not
   removing the corresponding entries, but for now xenstored
   cannot be restarted without losing all the registered
   watches, which breaks all the backend drivers anyway.  We
   can therefore get away with just clearing /local and
   expecting Xend to put the appropriate entries back in.

   When this change is made it is important to note that
   dom0's entries must be cleaned up on reboot _before_ this
   daemon starts, otherwise the backend drivers and dom0's
   balloon driver will pick up stale entries.  In the case of
   the balloon driver, this can be fatal.
*/

So, at least (for a while), the store is transient. I dug that up after
double checking what --preserve-local did. In all reality, you'll lose
xend prior to losing xenstored.

Sorry for not double checking before replying :)

Cheers,
--Tim

On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:33 +0800, Tim Post wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 23:50 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm looking for some definite info about when it's allowed to restart
> > the various Xen daemons (xend, xenstored and xenconsoled).
> > 
> > Up to now I worked with the assumption that I can restart them while
> > guest domains are running on the host and there's no harm done.
> > Indeed there wasn't, until now, when on restart one of my domains
> > became Domain-Unnamed (but kept on working), while the others
> > disappeared and didn't ping anymore...
> > 
> > (I've got the domain info dump from xm dmesg and the xend logs if
> > anybody can debug this.  I'm using Xen 3.2.1.)
> 
> One thing you never (ever) want to re-start is xenstored. Xend however
> can usually be re-started without issue.
> 
> Think of xenstored as something like "/proc as a service". Xen itself
> does not care about the name of your guest, it only needs its ID, flags,
> etc. If you look in /usr/include/xen/domctl.h , in particular the type
> xc_domaininfo_t , you'll see how much the userland tools rely on
> xenstore .. not just for storage, but watches. This keeps the bloat out
> of Xen itself and in userspace where it belongs. That's one of the
> reasons why Xen is a well designed modern highly efficient microkernel.
> 
> To make the store persistent, many small writes/reads to dom-0's disk
> would be needed and would be a disaster. That's why its all done in
> memory. Nevermind i/o wait and latency :) As far as I know, there is no
> way to export / import the contents of the store on a graceful re-start.
> Trying to do the same while handling a segmentation fault would be at
> (best) questionable.
> 
> In all reality, I have seen xend crash, but never xenstored. The only
> practical reason for including stuff to dump and re-import its contents
> would be a graceful restart .. but why would you re-start it if its
> running fine? :)
> 
> Cheers,
> --Tim
> 
> 
> 
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