RE: [Xen-users] OT: "Grumpy old men" thinking back on the good ol' days [was: Multi user/seat setup question]

["JHJE (Jan Holst Jensen)" <jhje@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> > ;-) Just FYI: Back in '93 or so I had 15 users working on a 
> > 33MHz 486 PC with 10MB 
> > RAM. They were all using Emacs, and a compiler. Today you 
> > can't even install with 64MB RAM.
> 
> Of course you can - but only if you install an ANCIENT version of some
> operating system - OS/2 1.x-3.x or Linux 2.2 for example would work...
> Not that you can even BUY 64MB of RAM anymore (at least not 
> from regular retailers). 

Well, I can boot a Debian Sarge under xen with 20 MB of RAM running a
2.6.16 kernel so that is hardly ancient (see below). 16 MB fails to boot
the kernel with an out-of-memory. The instance with 20 MB starts to swap
as soon as I start e.g. samba, but if you give a domain 32 MB it should
trundle along just fine. Guess that 32 should be enough on a physical
machine as well then (you probably loose a few megabytes to device
drivers on real iron). Don't know if any current installers will work on
32 MB though.

Didn't mean to make this into a contest or something. I am just a
"grumpy old man" thinking that Wirth's law
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law) is one of the most
substantiated observations in computer science :-) - along with Murphy's
that is.

Cheers
-- Jan Holst Jensen, Denmark

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