RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or "AMD availability" ;)

[bigfoot29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

I was just assuming it. I am not sure. I am not a professor or something
who studied nothing else except that. :)

All I wanted to say is: "The CPU SHOULD be able to do HVM. I am not sure
if thats chip dependent (see the Intel problem showing up here from time
to time) or not. We will see that mid next week (hopefully)." :)

Regards, Bigfoot29

On Thu, June 1, 2006 11:40 am, Petersson, Mats wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marco
>> Sent: 31 May 2006 19:53
>> To: Petersson, Mats
>> Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Marco; jerry@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or
>> "AMD availability" ;)
>>
>> The CPU is of course not PIN-compatible. But due to HT 2.0
>> the mainboard developers can use the old "Bridge" Chips. So
>> its _possible_ that HVM does not work. I am not sure, if
>> there are changes needed in the additional equipment so that
>> its working...
>
> Now, either I don't know something that I should know, or you've
> misunderstood something. SVM is implemented fully inside the processor.
> What peripheral chips are used shouldn't make any difference - do you
> have any information indicating otherwise? In fact, one of my
> test-platforms has the old PCI-X bridge chips on it, and it works just
> fine for running Xen... I fail to see the connection, really...
>
> --
> Mats
>>
>> Regards, Bigfoot29
>>
>>
>> Petersson, Mats wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marco
>> >>Sent: 31 May 2006 07:25
>> >>To: jerry@xxxxxxx; xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or "AMD
>> >>availability" ;)
>> >>
>> >>You are right. They are said to be on stocks for a couple
>> of days now.
>> >>But to tell the truth, at least here they aren't. Yes, there is the
>> >>FX.
>> >>The price alone tells you "hands off!". And yes, there is the
>> >>3500+ and
>> >>3800+ (single core). But who will use that? If you wanted to habe a
>> >>3500+ you could and get the Stepping E's as well. The
>> >>_interesting_ CPUs
>> >>- named the X2 ones for server application use - are not
>> delivered to
>> >>the stores before 02.06.06 - what means another week waiting ;)
>> >>
>> >>As for your "no new motherboard" - I would be carefull there...
>> >>basically they CAN use their old motherboard. Only changes
>> needed are
>> >>the other socket and more data lines to the memory.
>> >>So there _could_ be problems.
>> >
>> >
>> > As far as I'm aware, the new Socket AM2 is NOT compatible
>> with older
>> > socket 939 (and of course not 754).
>> >
>> > Of course, a 3500+ in Stepping F would only be useful if you either
>> > want virtualization support, or want to use DDR2 memory.
>> Both of these
>> > are new features in the new revision of the processor, and
>> not present
>> > (at
>> > all) in the older stepping.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mats
>> >
>> >>However, my X2 is already preordered. Can't wait getting my
>> hands on
>> >>them testing the HVM-capatibilities (what was the major
>> reason buying
>> >>that thing XD )
>> >>
>> >>Regards, Bigfoot29
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:55:24 +0200
>> >>>From: "Petersson, Mats" <Mats.Petersson@xxxxxxx>
>> >>>Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool
>> >>>To: "Jerry Amundson" <jerry@xxxxxxx>, xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >><907625E08839C4409CE5768403633E0BA7FCB5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry
>> >>>>Amundson
>> >>>>Sent: 27 May 2006 16:53
>> >>>>To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On Sat May 27 2006 08:26, Marco wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>I threw together a wiki on HVM along these lines...
>> >>>>>>http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have seen that the AMD-CPUs are missing...
>> >>>>>You can safely add "All AMD Athlon64 CPUs in a AM2 Socket
>> >>
>> >>(Stepping
>> >>
>> >>>>>F)" to the list. They rare all intend to have Pacifica on board.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>(Note: Athlon64, not Semperons. They are lacking exactly that
>> >>>>>feature)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I see this information as useful towards a purchase decision.
>> >>>>I'd rather leave it TBD, and only include processors
>> available for
>> >>>>sale currently.
>> >>>>Although the statement above is safe, as a new user I'd find it
>> >>>>misleading as I might believe my current AMD Athlon64 CPU
>> in a AM2
>> >>>>Socket (Stepping F) to be HVM-capable, only to end up with
>> >>
>> >>"Error: Not
>> >>
>> >>>>an HVM capable platform, we stop creating!"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>They are available for sale now - ok, so your local Fry's
>> >>
>> >>or PC World
>> >>
>> >>>may not have any in stock, but they are available to buy from AMD.
>> >>>
>> >>>AMD's press-release:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_10
>> 4_543~1086
>> >>
>> >>>05
>> >>>,00.html
>> >>>
>> >>>I managed to find at least one web-site that advertise the FX-62
>> >>>processor (and several other AM2 processors) for sale, so
>> >>
>> >>it appears
>> >>
>> >>>that it is possible to order them from retailers.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-det
>> ails.asp?E
>> >>
>> >>>dp No=2207290&Sku=CP1-AM2-FX62&SRCCODE=CNETFEED&CMP=OTC-CNETFEED
>> >>>
>> >>>I have no connection with the Tigerdirect company, it's purely a
>> >>>result of googling for FX-62, which is one of the AM2
>> processors. I
>> >>>have no clue whether this is a good, bad or ugly retailer...
>> >>>
>> >>>All Athlon/Opteron/Turion brand products in AM2 sockets
>> should have
>> >>>SVM (please don't use Pacifica, as that's the internal
>> >>
>> >>code-name, and
>> >>
>> >>>it is under copyright by some other company... The proper
>> terms are
>> >>>"AMD Virtualization technology" or "Secure Virtual Machine", the
>> >>>latter shortened to SVM.)
>> >>>
>> >>>As the processor requires a new motherboard, there's less
>> >>
>> >>likelyhood
>> >>
>> >>>for the trouble that some people have had with Intel
>> >>
>> >>systems where the
>> >>
>> >>>enabling of VT doesn't work or isn't available...  As far
>> >>
>> >>as I know,
>> >>
>> >>>there are no Rev F processors that doesn't have
>> >>
>> >>virtualization, aside
>> >>
>> >>>from the Sempron models (which is one of the
>> >>
>> >>differentiating factors
>> >>
>> >>>between Sempron and the more expensive models - not sure what else
>> >>>besides the obvious cache size differences... Although I
>> can't find
>> >>>any list of differences and there's currently no AM2
>> >>
>> >>docuementation on
>> >>
>> >>>the Web-site, besides the simple compare products pages,
>> >>
>> >>which don't
>> >>
>> >>>git much details, unfortunately).
>> >>>
>> >>>--
>> >>>Mats
>> >>
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