Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Fix lazy mmu mode

[Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@xxxxxxx>]

On 14/04/2025 15:04, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 02:22:53PM +0100, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 10/04/2025 17:07, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
>>>> I'm planning to implement lazy mmu mode for arm64 to optimize vmalloc. As 
>>>> part
>>>> of that, I will extend lazy mmu mode to cover kernel mappings in vmalloc 
>>>> table
>>>> walkers. While lazy mmu mode is already used for kernel mappings in a few
>>>> places, this will extend it's use significantly.
>>>>
>>>> Having reviewed the existing lazy mmu implementations in powerpc, sparc 
>>>> and x86,
>>>> it looks like there are a bunch of bugs, some of which may be more likely 
>>>> to
>>>> trigger once I extend the use of lazy mmu.
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea about generic code issues as result of not adhering to
>>> the originally stated requirement:
>>>
>>>   /*
>>>    ...
>>>    * the PTE updates which happen during this window.  Note that using this
>>>    * interface requires that read hazards be removed from the code.  A read
>>>    * hazard could result in the direct mode hypervisor case, since the 
>>> actual
>>>    * write to the page tables may not yet have taken place, so reads though
>>>    * a raw PTE pointer after it has been modified are not guaranteed to be
>>>    * up to date.
>>>    ...
>>>    */
>>>
>>> I tried to follow few code paths and at least this one does not look so 
>>> good:
>>>
>>> copy_pte_range(..., src_pte, ...)
>>>     ret = copy_nonpresent_pte(..., src_pte, ...)
>>>             try_restore_exclusive_pte(..., src_pte, ...)    // 
>>> is_device_exclusive_entry(entry)
>>>                     restore_exclusive_pte(..., ptep, ...)
>>>                             set_pte_at(..., ptep, ...)
>>>                                     set_pte(ptep, pte);     // save in lazy 
>>> mmu mode
>>>
>>>     // ret == -ENOENT
>>>
>>>     ptent = ptep_get(src_pte);                              // lazy mmu 
>>> save is not observed
>>>     ret = copy_present_ptes(..., ptent, ...);               // wrong ptent 
>>> used
>>>
>>> I am not aware whether the effort to "read hazards be removed from the code"
>>> has ever been made and the generic code is safe in this regard.
>>>
>>> What is your take on this?
>>
>> Hmm, that looks like a bug to me, at least based on the stated requirements.
>> Although this is not a "read through a raw PTE *pointer*", it is a 
>> ptep_get().
>> The arch code can override that so I guess it has an opportunity to flush. 
>> But I
>> don't think any arches are currently doing that.
>>
>> Probably the simplest fix is to add arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() before the
>> ptep_get()?
> 
> Which would completely revert the very idea of the lazy mmu mode?
> (As one would flush on every PTE page table iteration).

Well yes, but this is a pretty rare path, I'm guessing?

> 
>> It won't be a problem in practice for arm64, since the pgtables are always
>> updated immediately. I just want to use these hooks to defer/batch barriers 
>> in
>> certain cases.
>>
>> And this is a pre-existing issue for the arches that use lazy mmu with
>> device-exclusive mappings, which my extending lazy mmu into vmalloc won't
>> exacerbate.
>>
>> Would you be willing/able to submit a fix?
> 
> Well, we have a dozen of lazy mmu cases and I would guess it is not the
> only piece of code that seems affected. I was thinking about debug feature
> that could help spotting all troubled locations.
> 
> Then we could assess and decide if it is feasible to fix. Just turning the
> code above into the PTE read-modify-update pattern is quite an exercise...
> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan