Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v2 22/32] s390: define __smp_xxx

[Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:30:19 +0200
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:13:19AM +0100, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> > On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:18:58 +0200
> > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:45:25PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 09:08:38PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > This defines __smp_xxx barriers for s390,
> > > > > for use by virtualization.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Some smp_xxx barriers are removed as they are
> > > > > defined correctly by asm-generic/barriers.h
> > > > > 
> > > > > Note: smp_mb, smp_rmb and smp_wmb are defined as full barriers
> > > > > unconditionally on this architecture.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Acked-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h | 15 +++++++++------
> > > > >  1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > diff --git a/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h 
> > > > > b/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h
> > > > > index c358c31..fbd25b2 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h
> > > > > +++ b/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h
> > > > > @@ -26,18 +26,21 @@
> > > > >  #define wmb()                                barrier()
> > > > >  #define dma_rmb()                    mb()
> > > > >  #define dma_wmb()                    mb()
> > > > > -#define smp_mb()                     mb()
> > > > > -#define smp_rmb()                    rmb()
> > > > > -#define smp_wmb()                    wmb()
> > > > > -
> > > > > -#define smp_store_release(p, v)                                      
> > > > >         \
> > > > > +#define __smp_mb()                   mb()
> > > > > +#define __smp_rmb()                  rmb()
> > > > > +#define __smp_wmb()                  wmb()
> > > > > +#define smp_mb()                     __smp_mb()
> > > > > +#define smp_rmb()                    __smp_rmb()
> > > > > +#define smp_wmb()                    __smp_wmb()
> > > > 
> > > > Why define the smp_*mb() primitives here? Would not the inclusion of
> > > > asm-generic/barrier.h do this?
> > > 
> > > No because the generic one is a nop on !SMP, this one isn't.
> > > 
> > > Pls note this patch is just reordering code without making
> > > functional changes.
> > > And at the moment, on s390 smp_xxx barriers are always non empty.
> > 
> > The s390 kernel is SMP to 99.99%, we just didn't bother with a
> > non-smp variant for the memory-barriers. If the generic header
> > is used we'd get the non-smp version for free. It will save a
> > small amount of text space for CONFIG_SMP=n. 
> 
> OK, so I'll queue a patch to do this then?

Yes please.
 
> Just to make sure: the question would be, are smp_xxx barriers ever used
> in s390 arch specific code to flush in/out memory accesses for
> synchronization with the hypervisor?
> 
> I went over s390 arch code and it seems to me the answer is no
> (except of course for virtio).

Correct. Guest to host communication either uses instructions which
imply a memory barrier or QDIO which uses atomics.

> But I also see a lot of weirdness on this architecture.

Mostly historical, s390 actually is one of the easiest architectures in
regard to memory barriers.

> I found these calls:
> 
> arch/s390/include/asm/bitops.h: smp_mb__before_atomic();
> arch/s390/include/asm/bitops.h: smp_mb();
> 
> Not used in arch specific code so this is likely OK.

This has been introduced with git commit 5402ea6af11dc5a9, the smp_mb
and smp_mb__before_atomic are used in clear_bit_unlock and
__clear_bit_unlock which are 1:1 copies from the code in
include/asm-generic/bitops/lock.h. Only test_and_set_bit_lock differs
from the generic implementation.

> arch/s390/kernel/vdso.c:        smp_mb();
> 
> Looking at
>       Author: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@xxxxxxxxxx>
>       Date:   Fri Sep 11 16:23:06 2015 +0200
> 
>           s390/vdso: use correct memory barrier
> 
>           By definition smp_wmb only orders writes against writes. (Finish all
>           previous writes, and do not start any future write). To protect the
>           vdso init code against early reads on other CPUs, let's use a full
>           smp_mb at the end of vdso init. As right now smp_wmb is implemented
>           as full serialization, this needs no stable backport, but this 
> change
>           will be necessary if we reimplement smp_wmb.
> 
> ok from hypervisor point of view, but it's also strange:
> 1. why isn't this paired with another mb somewhere?
>    this seems to violate barrier pairing rules.
> 2. how does smp_mb protect against early reads on other CPUs?
>    It normally does not: it orders reads from this CPU versus writes
>    from same CPU. But init code does not appear to read anything.
>    Maybe this is some s390 specific trick?
> 
> I could not figure out the above commit.

That smp_mb can be removed. The initial s390 vdso code is heavily influenced
by the powerpc version which does have a smp_wmb in vdso_init right before
the vdso_ready=1 assignment. s390 has no need for that.
 
> 
> arch/s390/kvm/kvm-s390.c:       smp_mb();
> 
> Does not appear to be paired with anything.

This one does not make sense to me. Imho can be removed as well. 
 
> arch/s390/lib/spinlock.c:               smp_mb();
> arch/s390/lib/spinlock.c:                       smp_mb();
> 
> Seems ok, and appears paired properly.
> Just to make sure - spinlock is not paravirtualized on s390, is it?

s390 just uses the compare-and-swap instruction for the basic lock/unlock
operation, this implies the memory barrier. We do call the hypervisor for
contended locks if the lock can not be acquired after a number of retries.

A while ago we did play with ticket spinlocks but they behaved badly in
out usual virtualized environments. If we find the time we might take a
closer look at the para-virtualized queued spinlocks.

> rch/s390/kernel/time.c:        smp_wmb();
> arch/s390/kernel/time.c:        smp_wmb();
> arch/s390/kernel/time.c:        smp_wmb();
> arch/s390/kernel/time.c:        smp_wmb();
> 
> It's all around vdso, so I'm guessing userspace is using this,
> this is why there's no pairing.

Correct, this is the update count mechanics with the vdso user space code.

> > > Some of this could be sub-optimal, but
> > > since on s390 Linux always runs on a hypervisor,
> > > I am not sure it's safe to use the generic version -
> > > in other words, it just might be that for s390 smp_ and virt_
> > > barriers must be equivalent.
> > 
> > The definition of the memory barriers is independent from the fact
> > if the system is running on an hypervisor or not.
> > Is there really
> > an architecture where you need special virt_xxx barriers?!? 
> 
> It is whenever host and guest or two guests access memory at
> the same time.
> 
> The optimization where smp_xxx barriers are compiled out when
> CONFIG_SMP is cleared means that two UP guests running
> on an SMP host can not use smp_xxx barriers for communication.
> 
> See explanation here:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.virtualization/26555

Got it, makes sense.

-- 
blue skies,
   Martin.

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin.


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