Re: [Xen-devel] xenstore domain

[Juergen Gross <jgross@xxxxxxxx>]

On 10/12/15 21:24, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 09/12/15 07:34, Juergen Gross wrote:
>> On 08/12/15 17:34, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>> On 08/12/15 16:02, Juergen Gross wrote:
>>>> On 08/12/15 16:04, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>>> On 08/12/15 14:44, Juergen Gross wrote:
>>>>>> I'm just playing a little bit with xenstore in an own domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've come across some questions I'd like to have some answers to before
>>>>>> presenting official patches to make this an easy configurable option:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) As this would need a boot time configuration item I'd like to add
>>>>>>    e.g. /etc/xen/server.conf where such global configuration options
>>>>>>    could be set via directives. Is this generally okay? If yes, which
>>>>>>    format? Easiest way would be entries like
>>>>>>    VAR=value
>>>>>>    which can be either sourced in from shell scripts or can easily be
>>>>>>    parsed in all programming languages. What are the preferences here?
>>>>> Any configuration like this going to be toolstack-specific.  I would
>>>>> recommend against using a name as generic as that.
>>>>>
>>>>> /etc/xl.conf already exists, which IMO would be the natural place for
>>>>> this to live, but it isn't parseable by shell, because of vif notation.
>>>> OTOH that file wouldn't be just for xl. It would be consumed by e.g.
>>>> xencommons. Other configuration options I'd plan to add would be
>>>> driver domains dedicated to specific interface cards.
>>> It is still logically part of the "xl toolstack infrastructure", but I
>>> accept your point.  The current xl.conf is all about how to create
>>> domains in general, rather than specifically "how I would like my system
>>> configured when starting up".
>>>
>>>>> One option might be to alter xl.conf to be compatible with shell
>>>>> parsing.  It wouldn't be complicated (even in upgrade situations), and
>>>>> would offer rather more flexibility.
>>>> Shell parsing could be even handled via a rather simple filter, I guess.
>>>>
>>>>>> b) Today init-xenstore-domain will require flask to be enabled. An
>>>>>>    alternative would be to add a new domain creation flag to allow the
>>>>>>    domains with that flag set calling xc_domain_getinfo(). Thoughts?
>>>>> Which flag?
>>>> A new domcr_flag.
>>> Indicating what, precisely?
>> What I need is the capability to do the XEN_DOMCTL_getdomaininfo
>> hypercall from the xenstore domain. Question is whether it's better
>> to tie this special capability to the flag or to name it "is_xenstore".
>>
>> Thinking more about it, especially regarding a possible enhancement
>> allowing Dom0 to reboot, I think the is_xenstore variant would be
>> better. This would allow to look whether a xenstore domain is already
>> running and connect to that rather than try to start a new one.
> 
> If we do indeed want dom0 to be able to reboot, then we definitely do
> need some bit of remaining state indicating where xenstore is.

Indeed.

> Currently it is the residual knowledge that dom0 has from whether it
> started a local daemon, or a stubdomain, but that information would
> disappear on a reboot.
> 
> In general, I would be against adding extra magic like this to Xen, but
> xenstore is already sufficiently magic and critical in a Xen system that
> the benefits of this special case probably do outweigh its downsides. 
> (I wonder how long it will be until multiple xenstore domains are
> suggested in earnest on xen-devel.)

This again is subject to the capabilities of the xenstore domain (can it
handle multiple instances) and of dom0. I didn't plan to limit the
is_xenstore flag to just one domain. My current patches wouldn't start
another xenstore domain in case there is already one running, but this
is a local decision of init-xenstore-domain.


Juergen

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