Re: [Xen-devel] [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] xen:i386:pc_piix: create isa bridge specific to IGD passthrough

["Kay, Allen M" <allen.m.kay@xxxxxxxxx>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael S. Tsirkin [mailto:mst@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:27 PM
> To: Kay, Allen M
> Cc: Chen, Tiejun; xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; qemu-
> devel@xxxxxxxxxx; Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] [PATCH 2/2] xen:i386:pc_piix: create
> isa bridge specific to IGD passthrough
> 
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:40:45AM +0000, Kay, Allen M wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chen, Tiejun
> > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 12:50 AM
> > > To: Michael S. Tsirkin
> > > Cc: xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Kay, Allen M;
> > > qemu-devel@xxxxxxxxxx; Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
> > > Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] [PATCH 2/2] xen:i386:pc_piix:
> > > create isa bridge specific to IGD passthrough
> > >
> > > On 2014/9/1 14:05, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 10:50:37AM +0800, Chen, Tiejun wrote:
> > > >> On 2014/8/31 16:58, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > >>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 09:28:50AM +0800, Chen, Tiejun wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 2014/8/28 8:56, Chen, Tiejun wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +     */
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +    dev = pci_create_simple(bus, PCI_DEVFN(0x1f, 0),
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +                            
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> "xen-igd-passthrough-isa-bridge");
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +    if (dev) {
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +        r = xen_host_pci_device_get(&hdev, 0, 0,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> + PCI_DEVFN(0x1f,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 0), 0);
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +        if (!r) {
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +            pci_config_set_vendor_id(dev->config,
> > > hdev.vendor_id);
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +            pci_config_set_device_id(dev->config,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> + hdev.device_id);
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Can you, instead, implement the reverse logic, probing the
> > > >>>>>>>> card and supplying the correct device id for PCH?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Here what is your so-called reverse logic as I already asked
> > > >>>>>>> you previously? Do you mean I should list all PCHs with a
> > > >>>>>>> combo illustrated with the vendor/device id in advance? Then
> > > >>>>>>> look up if we can find a
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Michael,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Ping.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks
> > > >>>>> Tiejun
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Could you explain this exactly? Then I can try follow-up your
> > > >>>>>> idea ASAP if this is necessary and possible.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Michel,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Could you give us some explanation for your "reverse logic"
> > > >>>> when you're free?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks
> > > >>>> Tiejun
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So future drivers will look at device ID for the card and figure
> > > >>> out how things should work from there.
> > > >>> Old drivers still poke at device id of the chipset for this, but
> > > >>> maybe qemu can do what newer drivers do:
> > > >>> look at the card and figure out what guest should do, then
> > > >>> present the appropriate chipset id.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is based on what Jesse said:
> > > >>>       Practically speaking, we could probably assume specific
> GPU/PCH
> > > combos,
> > > >>>       as I don't think they're generally mixed across generations,
> > > >>> though
> > > SNB
> > > >>>       and IVB did have compatible sockets, so there is the
> possibility of
> > > >>>       mixing CPT and PPT PCHs, but those are register identical as
> far as the
> > > >>>       graphics driver is concerned, so even that should be safe.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael,
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for your explanation.
> > > >>
> > > >>> so the idea is to have a reverse table mapping GPU back to PCH.
> > > >>> Present to guest the ID that will let it assume the correct GPU.
> > > >>
> > > >> I guess you mean we should create to maintain such a table:
> > > >>
> > > >> [GPU Card: device_id(s), PCH: device_id]
> > > >>
> > > >> Then each time, instead of exposing that real PCH device id
> > > >> directly, qemu first can get the real GPU device id to lookup
> > > >> this table to present a appropriate PCH's device id to the guest.
> > > >>
> > > >> And looks here that appropriate PCH's device id is not always a
> > > >> that real PCH's device id. Right? If I'm wrong please correct me.
> > > >
> > > > Exactly: we don't really care what the PCH ID is - we only need it
> > > > for the guest driver to do the right thing.
> > >
> > > Agreed.
> > >
> > > I need to ask Allen to check if one given GPU card device id is
> > > always corresponding to one given PCH on both HSW and BDW currently.
> > > If yes, I can do this quickly. Otherwise I need some time to
> > > establish that sort of connection.
> > >
> >
> > If I understand this correctly, the only difference is instead of reading 
> > PCH
> DevID/RevID from the host hardware, QEMU inserts those values into PCH
> virtual device by looking at the reverse mapping table it maintains.
> >
> > I agree the downside of doing this is the reverse mapping table may be
> hard to maintain.
> 
> Point is it won't be, since future devices will not need this hack.
> So we just need the table for the existing ones, build it once and forget
> about it.
> 

Agree.

> > What is the advantage of doing this instead of having QEMU reading it from
> the host?  Is it to test to make sure reverse mapping methods works before
> it is adopted in the new drivers?
> 
> That's one.
> But a more important one is security: we don't want QEMU to poke at any
> new files in the host if we can help it, otherwise all distros have to change
> their LSM policies to allow this. In particular when using kvm with VFIO,
> QEMU does not poke at /sys/bus/pci/ at all anymore, and let's keep it that
> way.
> 

OK.  I now see this is from KVM support perspective.  Thanks for the 
explanation.

> > > Thanks
> > > Tiejun
> > >
> > > >
> > > >>>
> > > >>> the problem with these tables is they are hard to keep up to
> > > >>> date
> > > >>
> > > >> Yeah. But I think currently we can just start from some modern
> > > >> CPU such as HSW and BDW, then things could be easy.
> > > >>
> > > >> Allen,
> > > >>
> > > >> Any idea to this suggestion?
> > > >>
> > > >>> as new hardware comes out, but as future hardware won't need
> > > >>> these hacks, we shall be fine.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yeah.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >> Tiejun
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks
> > > >>>>>> Tiejun
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> matched PCH? If yes, what is that benefit you expect in
> > > >>>>>>> passthrough case? Shouldn't we pass these info to VM
> > > >>>>>>> directly in
> > > passthrough case?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Thanks
> > > >>>>>>> Tiejun
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Allen

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