Re: [Xen-devel] [V3 PATCH 0/9]: PVH dom0....

[Mukesh Rathor <mukesh.rathor@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:07:02 +0000
George Dunlap <george.dunlap@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 11/27/2013 02:27 AM, Mukesh Rathor wrote:
.......
> So a couple of thoughts from a release perspective.
> 
> Releasing *code* as "experimental" means, "it may work or it may not; 
> use at your own risk".  If people use it and it works, then great;
> they can expect that the code will only get better.
> 
> However, releasing an *interface* as "experimental" means, "it may
> work for you now, but it may not work later when we change the
> interface". While this is nice in theory, in practice, once something
> works, people may begin to rely on it and we may end up having to
> support it anyway. So the Linux interface cannot really be labelled
> "experimental"; we have to be reasonably certain that we can support
> it going forward.
> 
> Benefits:
> 
> We have a fairly solid precedent for releasing features as 
> "experimental" or "tech preview".  This allows a much wider testing
> and feedback.  If it turns out to be robust enough, people may even
> be able to use it, gaining the potential performance advantages.
> 
> Someone could make an argument the other way: that the best thing to
> do would be to check it in at the beginning of the release cycle, get
> it well tested, and then release it as "ready" for 4.5, without going 
> through an "experimental" phase.  Both arguments have their merits;
> but since current way we do things hasn't caused any problems and
> seems to be working OK, it seems best to follow precedent, and assume
> that a tech preview will be beneficial.
> 
> Risks, bugs:
> 
> All of the actual functional changes in this series are predicated on 
> "if(is_pvh_domain())", so in theory they should only have an effect
> on PVH guests.  (There is, of course, a small risk that there will be
> a mistake here.)  It introduces a new p2m type, but since it is the
> only one that uses it, bugs should only affect PVH, and not other
> functionality.
> 
> Risks, interface:
> 
> This patch series only adds two things to the interface with Linux: 
> XENMAPSPACE_gmfn_foreign and XENMEM_add_to_physmap_range.
> These are already used and available in the ARM side.
> 
> Normally I'd be afraid of accepting new interfaces at this stage in
> the game, as I'd be afraid that we hadn't had enough time to make
> sure it's something we want to support going forward.  However, since
> this is just duplicating an interface already in use on the ARM side,
> I think the interface *has* been thought of for some time.  This
> makes is much more likely to be worth the risk; if the ARM side has
> used it for 6 months without finding a problem with it, it seems
> unlikely that the x86 side will be particularly different.
> 
> So on the whole, there is a benefit (if a bit nebulous) to having it
> in, and a reasonably low risk; and it's not clear that the risk will
> be significantly mitigated by waiting another 6 months.  I'm
> therefore inclined to give it a release ack.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 

Normally, I'd be uncomfortable myself, but given that the feature is
marked experimental, and the fact that the changes are hidden behind
is_pvh_domain(), thereby leaving normal PV/HVM paths as before, gives
me the comfort. But ultimately your call, and I"d be OK either way.

thanks
mukesh


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