Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH RFC V2] xen/netback: Count ring slots properly when larger MTU sizes are used

[Matt Wilson <msw@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:26:38AM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 18:53 +0000, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:12:50PM +0000, Palagummi, Siva wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Matt Wilson [mailto:msw@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:05 AM
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:25:51AM +0000, Palagummi, Siva wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You can clearly see below that copy_off is input to
> > > > > start_new_rx_buffer while copying frags.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, but that's the right thing to do. copy_off should be set to the
> > > > destination offset after copying the last byte of linear data, which
> > > > means "skb_headlen(skb) % PAGE_SIZE" is correct.
> > > > 
> > >
> > > No. It is not correct for two reasons. For example what if
> > > skb_headlen(skb) is exactly a multiple of PAGE_SIZE. Copy_off would
> > > be set to ZERO. And now if there exists some data in frags, ZERO
> > > will be passed in as copy_off value and start_new_rx_buffer will
> > > return FALSE. And second reason is the obvious case from the current
> > > code where "offset_in_page(skb->data)" size hole will be left in the
> > > first buffer after first pass in case remaining data that need to be
> > > copied is going to overflow the first buffer.
> > 
> > Right, and I'm arguing that having the code leave a hole is less
> > desirable than potentially increasing the number of copy
> > operations. I'd like to hear from Ian and others if using the buffers
> > efficiently is more important than reducing copy operations. Intuitively,
> > I think it's more important to use the ring efficiently.
> 
> Do you mean the ring or the actual buffers?

Sorry, the actual buffers.

> The current code tries to coalesce multiple small frags/heads because it
> is usually trivial but doesn't try too hard with multiple larger frags,
> since they take up most of a page by themselves anyway. I suppose this
> does waste a bit of buffer space and therefore could take more ring
> slots, but it's not clear to me how much this matters in practice (it
> might be tricky to measure this with any realistic workload).

In the case where we're consistently handling large heads (like when
using a MTU value of 9000 for streaming traffic), we're wasting 1/3 of
the available buffers.

> The cost of splitting a copy into two should be low though, the copies
> are already batched into a single hypercall and I'd expect things to be
> mostly dominated by the data copy itself rather than the setup of each
> individual op, which would argue for splitting a copy in two if that
> helps fill the buffers.

That was my thought as well. We're testing a patch that does just this
now.

> The flip side is that once you get past the headers etc the paged frags
> likely tend to either bits and bobs (fine) or mostly whole pages. In the
> whole pages case trying to fill the buffers will result in every copy
> getting split. My gut tells me that the whole pages case probably
> dominates, but I'm not sure what the real world impact of splitting all
> the copies would be.

Right, I'm less concerned about the paged frags. It might make sense
to skip some space so that the copying can be page aligned. I suppose
it depends on how many defferent pages are in the list, and what the
total size is.

In practice I'd think it would be rare to see a paged SKB for ingress
traffic to domUs unless there is significant intra-host communication
(dom0->domU, domU->domU). When domU ingress traffic is originating
from an Ethernet device it shouldn't be paged. Paged SKBs would come
into play when a SKB is formed for transmit on an egress device that
is SG-capable. Or am I misunderstanding how paged SKBs are used these
days?

Matt

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