Re: [xen-devel][vNUMA v2][PATCH 2/8] public interface

[Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@xxxxxxx>]

Dulloor wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On 03/08/2010 16:43, "Dulloor" <dulloor@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > > I would expect guest would see nodes 0 to nr_vnodes-1, and the mnode_id
> > > > could go away.
> > > mnode_id maps the vnode to a particular physical node. This will be
> > > used by balloon driver in
> > > the VMs when the structure is passed as NUMA enlightenment to PVs and
> > > PV on HVMs.
> > > I have a patch ready for that (once we are done with this series).
> > So what happens when the guest is migrated to another system with different
> > physical node ids? Is that never to be supported? I'm not sure why you
> > wouldn't hide the vnode-to-mnode translation in the hypervisor.
> Right now, migration is not supported when NUMA strategy is set.
> This is in my TODO list (along with PoD support).
>
> There are a few open questions wrt migration :
> - What if the destination host is not NUMA, but the guest is NUMA. Do we fake
> those nodes ? Or, should we not select such a destination host to begin with.
I don't see a problem with this situation. The guest has virtual nodes, 
these can be mapped in any way to actual physical nodes (but only by the 
hypervisor/Dom0, not by the guest itself).
A corner case could be clearly to map all guest nodes to one single host 
node. In terms of performance this should be even better, if the new 
host can satisfy the requirement from one node, because there will be no 
remote accesses at all.
> - What if the destination host is not NUMA, but guest has asked to be
> striped across
> a specific number of nodes (possibly for higher aggregate memory bandwidth) ?
Most people deal with NUMA because they want to cure performance _drops_ 
caused by bad allocation policies. After all NUMA awareness is a 
performance optimization. If the user asks to migrate to another host, 
then we shouldn't come with fussy argument like NUMA. In my eyes it is a 
question of priorities, I don't want to deny migration because of this.
> - What if the guest has asked for a particular memory strategy
> (split/confined/striped),
> but the destination host can't guarantee that (because of the
> distribution of free memory
> across the nodes) ?
I see, there is one case where the new host has more nodes than the old 
one, but the memory on each node is not sufficient (like migrating from 
a 2*8GB machine to an 8*4GB one). I think we should inform the user 
about this and if she persists in the migration, use some kind of 
interleaving to join two (or more) nodes together. Looks like future 
work, though.
> Once we answer these questions, we will know whether vnode-to-mnode
> translation is better
> exposed or not. And, if exposed, could we just renegotiate the
> vnode-to-mnode translation at the
> destination host. I have started working on this. But, I have some
> other patches ready to go
> which we might want to check-in first - PV/Dom0 NUMA patches,
> Ballooning support (see below).
>
> As such, the purpose of vnode-to-mnode translation is for the enlightened
> guests to know where their underlying memory comes from, so that
> over-provisioning features
> like ballooning are given a chance to maintain this distribution.
I was afraid you were saying that ;-) I haven't thought about this in 
detail, but maybe we can make an exception for Dom0 only, because this 
is the most prominent and frequent user of ballooning. But I really 
think that DomUs should not know about or deal with host NUMA nodes.
Regards,
Andre.

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Andre Przywara
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