Re: [Xen-devel] xenfs aka /proc/xen

[Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@xxxxxxxx>]

On 06/06/2010 04:21 AM, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 05:48:21PM -0700, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>   
>> On 06/05/2010 09:29 AM, Bastian Blank wrote:
>>     
>>> Okay. I thought about it and would settle for the following:
>>> * $SYSFS/hypervisor/properties/guest_capabilites
>>>   It includes the same value then $XENFS/capabilities. Or should that be
>>>   changed as the meaning of "control_d" is not really clear (like
>>>   "control-domain")?
>>>       
>> The general rule for sysfs is one value per file.  It would probably be
>> more consistent to have a (guest_)capabilities directory, with a file
>> per capability (containing 1/0, or some other value if appropriate).
>>     
> You are right. However, the current sys/hypervisor interface already
> uses multi-valued items.
>   

Yes, I've always been a bit disappointed with /sys/hypervisor.   I think
it came from the ppc side, and it should be much more useful than it is,
I think.  I'm not sure that anybody actually uses it for Xen at the moment.

Also, given that all (? I think there's just one?) the guest
capabilities are Xen specific, as are the other things we're talking
about, there should probably be a xen/ directory to stick all these
things into.

>>> * $DEV/xen/xenbus
>>>   Merge into builtin xenbus support or own module xenbus-user
>>>       
>> Would you expect to change the actual ABI/protocol?
>>     
> To reduce the complexity, partial messages could be disallowed.
>
>   
>>> * $DEV/xen/privcmd
>>>   - Module xen-control or so
>>>   - *Needs to check for CAP_ADMIN*
>>> * $DEV/xen/xenstored
>>>   - Module xen-control or so
>>>   - Merges xsd_kva and xsd_port
>>>   - Supports:
>>>     - mmap, only support pagesized maps
>>>     - ioctl: get event channel port, get size (page size may be different)
>>>       
>> Yes, the interface of exposing the xenstore mfn to userspace has always
>> seemed a bit mad.  The kernel driver should do the mapping for
>> usermode.  Does it also need to expose the xs event channel?  Or can the
>> kernel just handle it internally and expose a normal blocking interface.
>>     
> Sure, it can. However it moves the complexity from the userspace into
> the kernel. As there are only two users right now, I doubt that the
> easier userspace implementations would outweigh the possible problems.
>   

Well, the kernel already handles all the client-side stuff.  The kernel
needn't care much about the content of the data, just provide a
mechanism to shove it over a shared memory ring and provide
notifications, as it does with all the other xen devices.

Also, we have the irritating problem that xenstored is not restartable,
and I think that's partly because there's some limitation about mapping
the shared page or binding the event channel.  If the kernel does that
in a device, then it can deal with userspace reopening the device on
restart.  (The actual persistance of the data is a separate question.)

>> In fact, does it needs its own separate driver?  This is just
>> symmetrical with /{proc,dev}/xen/xenbus.  Can that driver be made to
>> handle both ends?  Or at least a driver which looks symmetric to the
>> guest-side xenbus?
>>     
> Not sure if this is worth the problems: Only one access-control path for
> both client and server access.
>   

I don't follow your point here.

> However, if you want to go this way, I would propose a different
> solution that looks the same in all the different access paths from
> userspace: Netlink. This is than a complete overhaul.[1]
>   

Erm, maybe.  I think a plain device is probably a better match though,
and I don't see why there would be much difference in complexity.  I
guess the device is rather ioctl-heavy, and having an explicit delimited
format might be nice.  But as you mention, the stateless connectionless
property is hard to reconcile with current xenbus.

>>>   - Security constraints needs check. What can a user with access to
>>>     this device do?
>>>       
>> Policy should be enforced by xenstored itself.  Guests are not
>> trustworthy in general, so there's no point in enforcing anything within
>> the guest kernel.
>>     
> I thought about the capacity of the server part to do damage.
>   

The server is pretty inherently trusted in the Xen model, so I don't
think that's a huge concern.

>>> * Core kernel may trigger loading of xen-control module by some means
>>>   (to be defined).
>>>       
>> All a bit awkward, since there's no obvious trigger to hang the load
>> event off.  Maybe key them off Xen or xenbus bringup as some kind of
>> adjunct pseudo device?
>>     
> Yeah. Something like that. Maybe just use the control domain capability
> in the sys/hypervisor tree for that. The uevent response can set
> MODALIAS.
>   

evtchn and gntdev are usable from domU.

    J

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