Xen system skew MUCH worse than tsc skew (was RE: [Xen-devel] RE: [PATCH] record max stime skew (was RE: [PATCH] strictly increasing hvm guest time))

["Dan Magenheimer" <dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> > 7) CONJECTURE: Result of natural skews between platform
> > timer and tsc, plus jitter.  Unfixable.
> >
> > Possible, untested, not sure how.
> 
> I ended up suspecting this on one of the test platforms I 
> originally did the
> Xen-system-time implementation on. It was an old AMD white 
> box iirc. On that
> system, TSC and platform time seemed to have a significant 
> and inexplicable
> jitter at around 1Hz. The jitter was 100s of ppm, which was totally
> unexpected for what should be crystal-based oscillators. And 
> the test code
> was simple enough that it was hard to suspect that either (I 
> think I was
> just dumping the counters every second or two after reading 
> them as close
> together as I could).

Is this the code in read_clocks() in keyhandler.c?  If so,
I just did an experiment there with some interesting results:

I modified that code to record the "max dif" and then executed
it >10000 times.  The result shows maxdif ~11usec which
corresponds with my earlier measurements.  Next, I replaced the
calls to NOW() in read_clocks() and read_clocks_slave() with
rdtscll().  Guess what?  The result is a maxdif of 11000 "ticks"
but now on a 3GHz clock, which is about 3.3usec.  Next, I disabled
interrupts in read_clocks_slave() around the while loop plus
the rdtscll() so that I ensure I'm not accidentally counting any
interrupts.  Now I'm seeing maxdif<330nsec (>6000 measurements).
Next, I go back to NOW(), but with interrupts disabled as above.
So far maxdif is about 10.7usec (>6000 measurements).

SO XEN SYSTEM TIME MAX SKEW IS >30X WORSE THAN TSC MAX SKEW!

Looks to me like there's still something algorithmically wrong
and its not just natural skew and jitter.  Maybe some corner
case in the scale-delta code?  Also, should interrupts be turned
off during the calibration part of init_pit_and_calibrate_tsc()
(which might cause different scaling factors for each CPU)?



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